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From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Paul Holzinger <pholzing@redhat.com>, passt-dev@passt.top
Subject: Re: Option parsing: Allow the same option multiple times
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 08:18:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230619081631.48df2a43@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZI/eZjTKbzpncUKP@zatzit>

On Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:49:42 +1000
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 11:04:00PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 14:57:37 +0200
> > Paul Holzinger <pholzing@redhat.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > following up on a quick discussion with Stefano on IRC.
> > > 
> > > passt/pasta currently rejects most (not all) options when specified 
> > > multiple times, i.e. pasta -I eth0 -I eth1 ... fails. I think it makes 
> > > more sense to just use the last one instead.
> > > 
> > > My use case: In podman I added a new containers.conf option[1] which 
> > > allows users to set default pasta cli options. However users can also 
> > > add options on the podman cli with podman run --net=pasta:... For me it 
> > > would make the most sense to just append those to the config options and 
> > > then let pasta deal with it. This allows some form of overwrite 
> > > mechanism, i.e. by default I may have "-I" , "eth0" in containers.conf 
> > > but for one specific container I want to use a different interface name 
> > > and set --net=pasta:-I,eth1 on the cli. Then podman should just hand "-I 
> > > eth0 -I eth1" to pasta and then pasta picks the last one.
> > > 
> > > If we keep the current behavior it means I am forced to parse the 
> > > options in podman and dedup them which is hard to maintain as podman 
> > > would need to keep up with pasta upstream.
> > 
> > I had to do something similar in libpod/networking_pasta_linux.go,
> > which, if you change this, could also be simplified a bit.
> > 
> > > I am willing to send a patch to change this so please let me know if 
> > > anyone would object to that.
> > 
> > For the record, as I mentioned on IRC, I think it makes sense.
> > 
> > Maybe it's less "correct" as a behaviour, and it would make it a bit
> > harder for users to spot (unlikely) mistakes on the command line, but
> > making integrations simpler probably outweighs this.
> > 
> > I don't have a good idea for sentences like "This option can be
> > specified zero (for defaults) to two times (once for IPv4, once for IPv6)."
> > that are currently in the man page... maybe we could switch from
> > "This option can be specified" to "This option specifies one to two..."
> > and similar.
> 
> So, I'm actually a bit hesitant about applying this treatment (allow
> multiple, last one wins) to -a specifically.  The reason being that we
> have draft plans to allow multiple addresses within the guest/ns.
> That might logically lead to allowing arbitrary numbers of -a options
> in future, where *all* the addresses apply.  If we'd previously
> allowed multiple options, but only the last one applies, that might be
> a breaking semantic change.

Uh oh, right... and it might also apply to -g / --gateway eventually.

On the other hand: are two semantic changes (both of which not breaking
any reasonable or expected previous usage) in a relatively short period
of time so much worse than one (we plan to change -a handling anyway)?

I guess handling -a differently in Podman's options would still be
additional effort for Paul. In my opinion, as long as we keep man pages
updated, we should still prioritise making our lives (and the code!)
easier.

-- 
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-19  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-15 12:57 Option parsing: Allow the same option multiple times Paul Holzinger
2023-06-16 21:04 ` Stefano Brivio
2023-06-19  4:49   ` David Gibson
2023-06-19  6:18     ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2023-06-20 14:50       ` Paul Holzinger
2023-06-20 15:09         ` Stefano Brivio

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