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From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Matej Hrica <mhrica@redhat.com>, passt-dev@passt.top
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFT 5/5] passt.1: Add note about tuning rmem_max and wmem_max for throughput
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:06:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230927190616.24821407@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZRETRN2PTCiEWeWd@zatzit>

On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:57:40 +1000
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 23, 2023 at 12:06:10AM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > Signed-off-by: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  passt.1 | 33 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 33 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/passt.1 b/passt.1
> > index 1ad4276..bcbe6fd 100644
> > --- a/passt.1
> > +++ b/passt.1
> > @@ -926,6 +926,39 @@ If the sending window cannot be queried, it will always be announced as the
> >  current sending buffer size to guest or target namespace. This might affect
> >  throughput of TCP connections.
> >  
> > +.SS Tuning for high throughput
> > +
> > +On Linux, by default, the maximum memory that can be set for receive and send
> > +socket buffers is 208 KiB. Those limits are set by the
> > +\fI/proc/sys/net/core/rmem_max\fR and \fI/proc/sys/net/core/wmem_max\fR files,
> > +see \fBsocket\fR(7).
> > +
> > +As of Linux 6.5, while the TCP implementation can dynamically shrink buffers
> > +depending on utilisation even above those limits, such a small limit will  
> 
> "shrink buffers" and "even above those limits" don't seem to quite
> work together.

Oops. I guess I should simply s/shrink/grow/ here.

> > +reflect on the advertised TCP window at the beginning of a connection, and the  
> 
> Hmmm.... while [rw]mem_max might limit that initial window size, I
> wouldn't expect increasing the limits alone to increase that initial
> window size: wouldn't that instead be affected by the TCP default
> buffer size i.e. the middle value in net.ipv4.tcp_rmem?

If we don't use SO_RCVBUF, yes... but we currently do, and with that,
we can get a much larger initial window (as we do now).

On the other hand, maybe, as mentioned in my follow-up about 3/5, we
should drop SO_RCVBUF for TCP sockets.

> > +buffer size of the UNIX domain socket buffer used by \fBpasst\fR cannot exceed
> > +these limits anyway.
> > +
> > +Further, as of Linux 6.5, using socket options \fBSO_RCVBUF\fR and
> > +\fBSO_SNDBUF\fR will prevent TCP buffers to expand above the \fIrmem_max\fR and
> > +\fIwmem_max\fR limits because the automatic adjustment provided by the TCP
> > +implementation is then disabled.
> > +
> > +As a consequence, \fBpasst\fR and \fBpasta\fR probe these limits at start-up and
> > +will not set TCP socket buffer sizes if they are lower than 2 MiB, because this
> > +would affect the maximum size of TCP buffers for the whole duration of a
> > +connection.
> > +
> > +Note that 208 KiB is, accounting for kernel overhead, enough to fit less than
> > +three TCP packets at the default MSS. In applications where high throughput is
> > +expected, it is therefore advisable to increase those limits to at least 2 MiB,
> > +or even 16 MiB:
> > +
> > +.nf
> > +	sysctl -w net.core.rmem_max=$((16 << 20)
> > +	sysctl -w net.core.wmem_max=$((16 << 20)
> > +.fi  
> 
> As noted in a previous mail, empirically, this doesn't necessarily
> seem to work better for me.  I'm wondering if we'd be better off never
> touching RCFBUF and SNDBUF for TCP sockets, and letting the kernel do
> its adaptive thing.  We probably still want to expand the buffers as
> much as we can for the Unix socket, though.  And we likely still want
> expanded limits for the tests so that iperf3 can use large buffers

Right. Let's keep this patch for a later time then, and meanwhile check
if we should drop SO_RCVBUF, SO_SNDBUF, or both, for TCP sockets.

-- 
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-27 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-22 22:06 [PATCH RFT 0/5] Fixes and a workaround for TCP stalls with small buffers Stefano Brivio
2023-09-22 22:06 ` [PATCH RFT 1/5] tcp: Fix comment to tcp_sock_consume() Stefano Brivio
2023-09-23  2:48   ` David Gibson
2023-09-22 22:06 ` [PATCH RFT 2/5] tcp: Reset STALLED flag on ACK only, check for pending socket data Stefano Brivio
2023-09-25  3:07   ` David Gibson
2023-09-27 17:05     ` Stefano Brivio
2023-09-28  1:48       ` David Gibson
2023-09-29 15:20         ` Stefano Brivio
2023-10-03  3:20           ` David Gibson
2023-10-05  6:18             ` Stefano Brivio
2023-10-05  7:36               ` David Gibson
2023-09-22 22:06 ` [PATCH RFT 3/5] tcp: Force TCP_WINDOW_CLAMP before resetting STALLED flag Stefano Brivio
2023-09-22 22:31   ` Stefano Brivio
2023-09-23  7:55   ` David Gibson
2023-09-25  4:09   ` David Gibson
2023-09-25  4:10     ` David Gibson
2023-09-25  4:21     ` David Gibson
2023-09-27 17:05       ` Stefano Brivio
2023-09-28  1:51         ` David Gibson
2023-09-22 22:06 ` [PATCH RFT 4/5] tcp, tap: Don't increase tap-side sequence counter for dropped frames Stefano Brivio
2023-09-25  4:47   ` David Gibson
2023-09-27 17:06     ` Stefano Brivio
2023-09-28  1:58       ` David Gibson
2023-09-29 15:19         ` Stefano Brivio
2023-10-03  3:22           ` David Gibson
2023-10-05  6:19             ` Stefano Brivio
2023-10-05  7:38               ` David Gibson
2023-09-22 22:06 ` [PATCH RFT 5/5] passt.1: Add note about tuning rmem_max and wmem_max for throughput Stefano Brivio
2023-09-25  4:57   ` David Gibson
2023-09-27 17:06     ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2023-09-28  2:02       ` David Gibson
2023-09-25  5:52 ` [PATCH RFT 0/5] Fixes and a workaround for TCP stalls with small buffers David Gibson

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