From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Jon Maloy <jmaloy@redhat.com>,
passt-dev@passt.top, lvivier@redhat.com, dgibson@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] tcp: leverage support of SO_PEEK_OFF socket option when available
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 07:58:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240426075832.093aac78@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZisfDxOPBZ-W1kn_@zatzit>
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 13:27:11 +1000
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 08:30:44PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 10:48:05 +1000
> > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 07:50:10PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 15:19:19 -0400
> > > > Jon Maloy <jmaloy@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > > + set_peek_offset(s, 0);
> > > >
> > > > Do we really need to initialise it to zero on a new connection? Extra
> > > > system calls on this path matter for latency of connection
> > > > establishment.
> > >
> > > Sort of, yes: we need to enable the SO_PEEK_OFF behaviour by setting
> > > it to 0, rather than the default -1.
> >
> > By the way of which, this is not documented at this point -- a man page
> > patch (linux-man and linux-api lists) would be nice.
> >
> > > We could lazily enable it, but
> > > we'd need either to a) do it later in the handshake (maybe when we set
> > > ESTABLISHED), but we'd need to be careful it is always set before the
> > > first MSG_PEEK
> >
> > I was actually thinking that we could set it only as we receive data
> > (not every connection will receive data), and keep this out of the
> > handshake (which we want to keep "faster", I think).
>
> That makes sense, but I think it would need a per-connection flag.
Definitely.
> > And setting it as we mark a connection as ESTABLISHED should have the
> > same effect on latency as setting it on a new connection -- that's not
> > really lazy. So, actually:
>
> Good point.
>
> > > or b) keep track of whether it's set on a per-socket
> > > basis (this would have the advantage of robustness if we ever
> > > encountered a kernel that weirdly allows it for some but not all TCP
> > > sockets).
> >
> > ...this could be done as we receive data in tcp_data_from_sock(), with
> > a new flag in tcp_tap_conn::flags, to avoid adding latency to the
> > handshake. It also looks more robust to me, and done/checked in a
> > single place where we need it.
> >
> > We have just three bits left there which isn't great, but if we need to
> > save one at a later point, we can drop this new flag easily.
>
> I just realised that folding the feature detection into this is a bit
> costlier than I thought. If we globally probe the feature we just
> need one bit per connection: is SO_PEEK_OFF set yet or not. If we
> tried to probe per-connection we'd need a tristate: haven't tried /
> SO_PEEK_OFF enabled / tried and failed.
I forgot to mention this part: what I wanted to propose was actually
still a global probe, so that we don't waste one system call per
connection on kernels not supporting this (a substantial use case for a
couple of years from now?), which probably outweighs the advantage of
the weird, purely theoretical kernel not supporting the feature for
some sockets only.
And then something like PEEK_OFFSET_SET (SO_PEEK_OFF_SET sounds awkward
to me) on top. Another advantage is avoiding the tristate you described.
--
Stefano
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-26 5:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-20 19:19 [PATCH 0/2] Support for SO_PEEK_OFF when a available Jon Maloy
2024-04-20 19:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] tcp: leverage support of SO_PEEK_OFF socket option when available Jon Maloy
2024-04-23 17:50 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-04-24 0:48 ` David Gibson
2024-04-24 18:30 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-04-26 3:27 ` David Gibson
2024-04-26 5:58 ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2024-04-29 1:46 ` David Gibson
2024-04-25 23:06 ` Jon Maloy
2024-04-24 0:44 ` David Gibson
2024-04-25 23:23 ` Jon Maloy
2024-04-26 3:29 ` David Gibson
2024-04-20 19:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] tcp: allow retransmit when peer receive window is zero Jon Maloy
2024-04-24 1:04 ` David Gibson
2024-04-24 18:31 ` Stefano Brivio
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