From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] migrate, flow: Don't attempt to migrate TCP flows without passt-repair
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 11:38:00 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250220113800.05be8f5f@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z7cBXvOU1nZttt51@zatzit>
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 21:18:06 +1100
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 09:07:26AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 17:03:18 +1100
> > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Migrating TCP flows requires passt-repair in order to use TCP_REPAIR. If
> > > passt-repair is not started, our failure mode is pretty ugly though: we'll
> > > attempt the migration, hitting various problems when we can't enter repair
> > > mode. In some cases we may not roll back these changes properly, meaning
> > > we break network connections on the source.
> > >
> > > Our general approach is not to completely block migration if there are
> > > problems, but simply to break any flows we can't migrate. So, if we have
> > > no connection from passt-repair carry on with the migration, but don't
> > > attempt to migrate any TCP connections.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > > ---
> > > flow.c | 11 +++++++++--
> > > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/flow.c b/flow.c
> > > index 6cf96c26..749c4984 100644
> > > --- a/flow.c
> > > +++ b/flow.c
> > > @@ -923,6 +923,10 @@ static int flow_migrate_repair_all(struct ctx *c, bool enable)
> > > union flow *flow;
> > > int rc;
> > >
> > > + /* If we don't have a repair helper, there's nothing we can do */
> > > + if (c->fd_repair < 0)
> > > + return 0;
> > > +
> >
> > This doesn't fix the behaviour in a relatively likely failure mode:
> > passt-repair is there, but we can't communicate to it (LSM policy
> > issues or similar).
>
> Ah... true. Although it shouldn't make it any worse for that case,
> right, so that could be a separate fix.
Sure.
> > In that case, unconditionally terminating on failure in the rollback
> > function:
> >
> > if (tcp_flow_repair_off(c, &flow->tcp))
> > die("Failed to roll back TCP_REPAIR mode");
> >
> > if (repair_flush(c))
> > die("Failed to roll back TCP_REPAIR mode");
> >
> > isn't a very productive thing to do: we go from an uneventful failure
> > where flows were not affected at all to a guest left without
> > connectivity.
>
> So, the issue is that leaving sockets in repair mode after we leave
> the migration path would be very bad.
Why? I really can't see anything catastrophic happening as a result of
that (hence my v12 version of this). Surely not as bad as the guest
losing connectivity without any possible recovery.
> We can't easily close
> sockets/flows for which that's the case, because the batching means if
> there's a failure we don't actually know which sockets are in which
> mode, hence the die().
They can be closed (via tcp_rst()) anyway. If they're in repair mode,
no RST will reach the peer, and if they aren't, it will.
> > That starts looking less robust than the alternative (e.g. what I
> > implemented in v12: silently fail and continue) at least without
> > https://patchew.org/QEMU/20250217092550.1172055-1-lvivier@redhat.com/
> > in a general case as well: if we continue, we'll have hanging flows
> > that will expire on timeout, but if we don't, again, we'll have a
> > guest without connectivity.
> >
> > I understand that leaving flows around for that long might present a
> > relevant inconsistency, though.
> >
> > So I'm wondering about some alternatives: actually, the rollback
> > function shouldn't be called at all in this case. Or it could just
> > (indirectly) call tcp_rst() on all the flows that were possibly
> > affected.
>
> Making it be a safe no-op if we never managed to turn repair on for
> anything would make sense to me. Unfortunately, in this situation we
> won't see an error until we do a repair_flush() which means we now
> don't know the state of any sockets we already passed to
> repair_set().
>
> We could, I suppose, close all flows that we passed to repair_set() by
> the time we see the error. If we have < one batch's worth of
> connections that will kill connectivity almost as much as die()ing,
> though. I guess it will come back without needing qemu to restart us,
> though, so that's something.
Right, yes, that's what I'm suggesting.
> This sort of thing is, incidentally, why I did way back suggest the
> possibility of passt-repair reporting failures per-fd, rather than
> just per-batch.
Sorry, I somehow missed that proposal, and I can't find any trace of it.
But anyway, the problem is that if we fail to read a batch for any
reason (invalid ancillary data... maybe always implying a kernel issue,
but I'm not sure), you can't _reliably_ report per-fd failures.
*Usually*, you can. Worth it?
In any case, if it's simple, we can still do it, because passt and
passt-repair are distributed together. You can't pass back the file
descriptors via SCM_RIGHTS though, because we want to close() them
before we reply.
Another alternative could be that passt-repair reverts back the state
of the file descriptors that were already switched, on failure.
--
Stefano
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-20 10:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-20 6:03 [PATCH 0/2] RFC: More graceful handling of migration without passt-repair (UNTESTED) David Gibson
2025-02-20 6:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] migrate, flow: Trivially succeed if migrating with no flows David Gibson
2025-02-20 6:03 ` [PATCH 2/2] migrate, flow: Don't attempt to migrate TCP flows without passt-repair David Gibson
2025-02-20 8:07 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-02-20 10:18 ` David Gibson
2025-02-20 10:38 ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2025-02-21 2:40 ` David Gibson
2025-02-21 5:59 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-02-21 6:37 ` David Gibson
2025-02-21 7:03 ` Stefano Brivio
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