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[176.103.220.4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-45a1a586037sm10514725e9.19.2025.08.13.11.04.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 20:04:23 +0200 From: Stefano Brivio To: David Gibson Subject: Re: Exeter testing, next steps Message-ID: <20250813200423.69397f77@elisabeth> In-Reply-To: References: <20250805095241.6cb715d5@elisabeth> Organization: Red Hat X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.2.0 (GTK 3.24.49; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-MFC-PROC-ID: Tr-ZNy0AA_gt5qmots3cf_xFYTD6YyYjk7WBq-nLExY_1755108266 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID-Hash: ZP72JIGNKGXHOOWMGTDHR2C5UVKTSSBI X-Message-ID-Hash: ZP72JIGNKGXHOOWMGTDHR2C5UVKTSSBI X-MailFrom: sbrivio@redhat.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: passt-dev@passt.top X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list List-Id: Development discussion and patches for passt Archived-At: Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 6 Aug 2025 11:11:24 +1000 David Gibson wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 09:52:41AM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote: > > > > > If we can start introducing some exeter tests, the next step would be > > > to work on the support library stuff for constructing more complex > > > network environments from namespaces. I have draft series with this > > > as well, but I was looking at splitting it into another mini-project > > > (tentative name "sinte" - Simulated Inter Network Test Environment). > > > > Neat! That sounds like the juicy part and surely one part we really > > miss at this point. I would go as far as proposing PESTO (playground > > environment simplifies test orchestration / spurs test opportunities) > > but "sinte" sounds good to me as well. > > I kind of love the "pesto" acronym, but the proposed expansions don't > quite work for me though: they don't say anything specifically about > networking, and it's really not about test orchestration - this is > about how to write a single test. I couldn't come up with much better (and didn't get to actually review the patches) yet, but I just wanted to quickly mention that by "orchestration" I was referring to juggling namespaces and virtual machines (at some point...?) with virtual links around, within a single test. And maybe at some point networking could be marginal in the whole thing. > The infuriating thing is I'm pretty sure I came up with a much better > tentative name months ago, and then forgot it. I know you meant it for something else, but I'm wondering if you're referring to NUDEL perhaps. -- Stefano