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From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top, Paul Holzinger <pholzing@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] treewide: Flush pcap and log files, if used, before exiting
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2025 07:24:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250814072419.643ec298@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250814071255.3dfbd733@elisabeth>

On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 07:12:55 +0200
Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 14 Aug 2025 14:10:20 +1000
> David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 06:45:05PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:  
> > > I didn't imagine that occasionally truncated pcap and log files, as a
> > > result of commit a9d63f91a59a ("passt-repair: use _exit() over
> > > return"), would be such a big deal, until I tried to debug TCP issues
> > > with this beauty:    
> > 
> > I think the problems are more introduced by the previous patch
> > d0006fa784a7 ("treewide: use _exit() over exit()").  
> 
> Oops, right.
> 
> > > 
> > >   while true; do ./pasta --trace -l /tmp/pasta.log -p /tmp/pasta.pcap --config-net -t 5555 -- socat TCP-LISTEN:5555 OPEN:/tmp/large.rcv,trunc & (sleep 0.3; socat -T2 OPEN:large.bin TCP:88.198.0.164:5555; ); wait; diff large.bin /tmp/large.rcv || break; done
> > > 
> > > ...flush files and pcap if we're using them. Ignore fsync() errors for
> > > the log file as we obviously can't reliably log them.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>    
> > 
> > Hmmmmm.
> > 
> > I mean, yes, AFAICT this patch will address the immediate problem.
> > But between this and 081df67d1fb2 ("conf: flush stdout before early
> > exit") it seems more and more to me that _exit() just isn't what we
> > want.  Basically the assertion in d0006fa784a7 that "no exit handlers
> > are needed" doesn't really seem to be true.  
> 
> It was a wrong assumption but just for a couple of cases, and mind that
> exit() doesn't give you any guarantee anyway. While glibc might
> guarantee those flushes, we're not just building against glibc.
> 
> So, strictly speaking, at least for correctness, we should actually
> keep those fflush() calls plus the ones I'm adding here, even with
> exit().

Ah, wait, sorry, I just double checked and starting from Issue 7 of
POSIX (referring to _exit() and _Exit()):

  Austin Group Interpretation 1003.1-2001 #031 is applied, separating
  these functions from the exit() function.

and:

  The exit() function shall then flush all open streams with unwritten
  buffered data and close all open streams.

...still, the rest of my reasoning applies.

> > Here we're adding a new syscall to work around the problems with
> > _exit().  In which case, why don't we add futex() to the syscall list
> > and go back to exit(3).  
> 
> Because futex() just came up unexpectedly and Paul and myself had to
> spend hours figuring that out, and there are good chances we'll get
> something else like that from glibc in the future.
> 
> On top of that, see CVE-2014-3153 and CVE-2020-14381 about futex().
> From a quick glance (and intuitively) fsync() is much simpler than that.
> 
> > With Laurent working on multi-threading we might well want futexes
> > anyhow.  
> 
> True, but then I'd still prefer to allow futex() explicitly, rather
> than re-enabling exit handlers, because that's more predictable.

-- 
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-14  5:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-13 16:45 [PATCH] treewide: Flush pcap and log files, if used, before exiting Stefano Brivio
2025-08-14  4:10 ` David Gibson
2025-08-14  5:12   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-08-14  5:24     ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2025-08-14  5:36       ` David Gibson
2025-08-15  5:50     ` David Gibson

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