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From: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>, passt-dev@passt.top
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/4] tcp: Resend SYN for inbound connections
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 10:37:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20251024103717.715fe49e@elisabeth> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aPrywcaZJUot9Vok@zatzit>

On Fri, 24 Oct 2025 14:30:09 +1100
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 01:04:31AM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 14:28:37 +0800
> > Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com> wrote:
> >   
> > > If a client connects while guest is not connected or ready yet,
> > > resend SYN instead of just resetting connection after 10 seconds.
> > > 
> > > Use the same backoff calculation for the timeout as linux kernel.  
> > 
> > Linux.
> >   
> > > 
> > > Link: https://bugs.passt.top/show_bug.cgi?id=153
> > > Signed-off-by: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > >  tcp.c | 55 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
> > >  tcp.h |  5 +++++
> > >  2 files changed, 52 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> > > 
> > > diff --git a/tcp.c b/tcp.c
> > > index 2ec4b0c..9385132 100644
> > > --- a/tcp.c
> > > +++ b/tcp.c
> > > @@ -179,9 +179,11 @@
> > >   *
> > >   * Timeouts are implemented by means of timerfd timers, set based on flags:
> > >   *
> > > - * - SYN_TIMEOUT: if no ACK is received from tap/guest during handshake (flag
> > > - *   ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE without ESTABLISHED event) within this time, reset the
> > > - *   connection
> > > + * - SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT: if no ACK is received from tap/guest during handshake
> > > + *   (flag ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE without ESTABLISHED event) within this time, resend
> > > + *   SYN. It's the starting timeout for the first SYN retry. If this persists  
> > 
> > "If this persists" makes sense for the existing ACK_TIMEOUT
> > description but not here, because it looks like it refers to "starting
> > timeout".
> > 
> > Coupled with the next patch, it becomes increasingly difficult to
> > understand what "this" persisting thing is.  
> 
> Yeah.  This was my suggested wording, based on the existing wording
> for ACK_TIMEOUT.  It's not great, but I struggled a bit to find better
> wording.
> 
> > Maybe directly say "Retry for ..., then reset the connection"? It's
> > shorter and clearer.  
> 
> There it is :).  "Retry (NNN) times, then reset the connection".
> 
> [snip]
> > > @@ -2409,8 +2419,17 @@ void tcp_timer_handler(const struct ctx *c, union epoll_ref ref)
> > >  		tcp_timer_ctl(c, conn);
> > >  	} else if (conn->flags & ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE) {
> > >  		if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED)) {
> > > -			flow_dbg(conn, "handshake timeout");
> > > -			tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > +			if (conn->retries >= TCP_MAX_RETRIES ||
> > > +			    conn->retries >= (c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries +
> > > +					      c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts)) {
> > > +				flow_dbg(conn, "handshake timeout");
> > > +				tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > +			} else {
> > > +				flow_trace(conn, "SYN timeout, retry");
> > > +				tcp_send_flag(c, conn, SYN);
> > > +				conn->retries++;  
> > 
> > I think I already raised this point on a previous revision: this needs
> > to be zeroed as the connection is established, but I don't see that in
> > the current version.  
> 
> Yes, you raised that, but then I realised it's already handled.  I
> think I put that in the thread, not just direct to Yumei, but maybe
> not?  Or it just got lost in the minutiae.

Yes, here:

  https://archives.passt.top/passt-dev/aOxFRfJjPWy0ZW0M@zatzit

this is another example of what I meant about (potential) advantages of
a fully threaded (email) workflow.

In this case, I didn't review v2, which came before you could post this
to my comment on v1, but in a normal case, we could have settled this
earlier, once for all.

> When we receive a SYN-ACK, it will have th->ack_seq advanced a byte
> acknowledging the SYN.  tcp_tap_handler() calls
> tcp_update_seqack_from_tap() in the !ESTABLISHED case which will see
> the new ack_seq and clear retries (retrans before this series).

It doesn't look obvious at all to me.

We're unlikely to break it in the future, so I don't think it's fragile
in the long term, but... can one of you double check that it's actually
the case with a manual one-off test?

> > > +				tcp_timer_ctl(c, conn);
> > > +			}
> > >  		} else if (CONN_HAS(conn, SOCK_FIN_SENT | TAP_FIN_ACKED)) {
> > >  			flow_dbg(conn, "FIN timeout");
> > >  			tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > @@ -2766,6 +2785,24 @@ static socklen_t tcp_probe_tcp_info(void)
> > >  	return sl;
> > >  }
> > >  
> > > +/**
> > > + * tcp_syn_params_init() - Get initial SYN parameters for inbound connection  
> > 
> > They're not initial, they'll be used for all the connections if I
> > understand correctly.
> > 
> > Maybe "Get SYN retries sysctl values"? I think the _init() in the
> > function name is also somewhat misleading.  
> 
> "Get host kernel RTO parameters"?  Since we're thinking of extending
> this to cover the RTO upper bound as well as the SYN specific
> parameters.

Ah, maybe yes, better.

> > > + * @c:		Execution context
> > > +*/
> > > +void tcp_syn_params_init(struct ctx *c)
> > > +{
> > > +	intmax_t tcp_syn_retries, syn_linear_timeouts;
> > > +
> > > +	tcp_syn_retries = read_file_integer(TCP_SYN_RETRIES, 8);  
> > 
> > Why 8? Perhaps a #define would help?
> >   
> > > +	syn_linear_timeouts = read_file_integer(TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS, 1);
> > > +
> > > +	c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries = MIN(tcp_syn_retries, UINT8_MAX);
> > > +	c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts = MIN(syn_linear_timeouts, UINT8_MAX);
> > > +
> > > +	debug("TCP SYN parameters: retries=%"PRIu8", linear_timeouts=%"PRIu8,  
> > 
> > Similar to the comment above: these are not parameters of SYN segments
> > (which would seem to imply TCP options, such as the MSS).
> > 
> > We typically don't print C assignments, rather human-readable messages,
> > so that could be "Read sysctl values tcp_syn_retries: ...,
> > syn_linear_timeouts: ...".
> > 
> >   
> > > +	      c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries, c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
> > > +}
> > > +
> > >  /**
> > >   * tcp_init() - Get initial sequence, hash secret, initialise per-socket data
> > >   * @c:		Execution context
> > > @@ -2776,6 +2813,8 @@ int tcp_init(struct ctx *c)
> > >  {
> > >  	ASSERT(!c->no_tcp);
> > >  
> > > +	tcp_syn_params_init(c);
> > > +
> > >  	tcp_sock_iov_init(c);
> > >  
> > >  	memset(init_sock_pool4,		0xff,	sizeof(init_sock_pool4));
> > > diff --git a/tcp.h b/tcp.h
> > > index 234a803..4369b52 100644
> > > --- a/tcp.h
> > > +++ b/tcp.h
> > > @@ -59,12 +59,17 @@ union tcp_listen_epoll_ref {
> > >   * @fwd_out:		Port forwarding configuration for outbound packets
> > >   * @timer_run:		Timestamp of most recent timer run
> > >   * @pipe_size:		Size of pipes for spliced connections
> > > + * @tcp_syn_retries:	Number of SYN retries during handshake
> > > + * @syn_linear_timeouts: Number of SYN retries using linear backoff timeout
> > > + * 			  before switching to exponential backoff timeout  
> > 
> > Maybe more compact:
> > 
> >  * @syn_linear_timeouts:	SYN retries before using exponential timeout
> >   
> > >   */
> > >  struct tcp_ctx {
> > >  	struct fwd_ports fwd_in;
> > >  	struct fwd_ports fwd_out;
> > >  	struct timespec timer_run;
> > >  	size_t pipe_size;
> > > +	uint8_t tcp_syn_retries;
> > > +	uint8_t syn_linear_timeouts;
> > >  };
> > >  
> > >  #endif /* TCP_H */  

-- 
Stefano


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24  8:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-17  6:28 [PATCH v6 0/4] Retry SYNs " Yumei Huang
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] tcp: Rename "retrans" to "retries" Yumei Huang
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] util: Introduce read_file() and read_file_integer() function Yumei Huang
2025-10-19 10:07   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-21  9:32     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-21 21:50       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-22  0:51         ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  8:42           ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  0:55         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-24  3:16     ` David Gibson
2025-10-24  6:05       ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28  7:11       ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:43         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] tcp: Resend SYN for inbound connections Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  1:16   ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  1:30     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  2:26       ` David Gibson
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-24  3:30     ` David Gibson
2025-10-24  8:37       ` Stefano Brivio [this message]
2025-10-24 10:55         ` David Gibson
2025-10-27  3:37           ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-27  6:49             ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28  7:43     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:44       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  2:31         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] tcp: Update data retransmission timeout Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  1:19   ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  8:40     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28  8:09     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:44       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28 11:54         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  3:06         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  4:38           ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  5:11             ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  7:09               ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  7:32                 ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  7:39                   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  8:59                     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29 12:18                       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-30  8:25                         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-30  8:51                           ` Stefano Brivio

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