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From: Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>
To: jmaloy@redhat.com
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org,
	passt-dev@passt.top, sbrivio@redhat.com, lvivier@redhat.com,
	dgibson@redhat.com, imagedong@tencent.com,
	eric.dumazet@gmail.com, edumazet@google.com
Subject: Re: [net,v2] tcp: correct handling of extreme memory squeeze
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 15:04:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADVnQymiwUG3uYBGMc1ZEV9vAUQzEOD4ymdN7Rcqi7yAK9ZB5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250117214035.2414668-1-jmaloy@redhat.com>

On Fri, Jan 17, 2025 at 4:41 PM <jmaloy@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> From: Jon Maloy <jmaloy@redhat.com>
>
> Testing with iperf3 using the "pasta" protocol splicer has revealed
> a bug in the way tcp handles window advertising in extreme memory
> squeeze situations.
>
> Under memory pressure, a socket endpoint may temporarily advertise
> a zero-sized window, but this is not stored as part of the socket data.
> The reasoning behind this is that it is considered a temporary setting
> which shouldn't influence any further calculations.
>
> However, if we happen to stall at an unfortunate value of the current
> window size, the algorithm selecting a new value will consistently fail
> to advertise a non-zero window once we have freed up enough memory.

The "if we happen to stall at an unfortunate value of the current
window size" phrase is a little vague... :-) Do you have a sense of
what might count as "unfortunate" here? That might help in crafting a
packetdrill test to reproduce this and have an automated regression
test.

> This means that this side's notion of the current window size is
> different from the one last advertised to the peer, causing the latter
> to not send any data to resolve the sitution.

Since the peer last saw a zero receive window at the time of the
memory-pressure drop, shouldn't the peer be sending repeated zero
window probes, and shouldn't the local host respond to a ZWP with an
ACK with the correct non-zero window?

Do you happen to have a tcpdump .pcap of one of these cases that you can share?

> The problem occurs on the iperf3 server side, and the socket in question
> is a completely regular socket with the default settings for the
> fedora40 kernel. We do not use SO_PEEK or SO_RCVBUF on the socket.
>
> The following excerpt of a logging session, with own comments added,
> shows more in detail what is happening:
>
> //              tcp_v4_rcv(->)
> //                tcp_rcv_established(->)
> [5201<->39222]:     ==== Activating log @ net/ipv4/tcp_input.c/tcp_data_queue()/5257 ====
> [5201<->39222]:     tcp_data_queue(->)
> [5201<->39222]:        DROPPING skb [265600160..265665640], reason: SKB_DROP_REASON_PROTO_MEM
>                        [rcv_nxt 265600160, rcv_wnd 262144, snt_ack 265469200, win_now 131184]

What is "win_now"? That doesn't seem to correspond to any variable
name in the Linux source tree.  Can this be renamed to the
tcp_select_window() variable it is printing, like "cur_win" or
"effective_win" or "new_win", etc?

Or perhaps you can attach your debugging patch in some email thread? I
agree with Eric that these debug dumps are a little hard to parse
without seeing the patch that allows us to understand what some of
these fields are...

I agree with Eric that probably tp->pred_flags should be cleared, and
a packetdrill test for this would be super-helpful.

thanks,
neal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-18 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-17 21:40 [net,v2] tcp: correct handling of extreme memory squeeze jmaloy
2025-01-17 22:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2025-01-17 22:27   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-18 17:01 ` Jason Xing
2025-01-18 20:04 ` Neal Cardwell [this message]
2025-01-20  5:03   ` Jon Maloy
2025-01-20 16:10     ` Jon Maloy
2025-01-20 16:22       ` Eric Dumazet
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-01-16  2:29 [net, v2] " Jon Maloy
2025-01-16 21:14 ` Stefano Brivio

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