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From: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 3/4] tcp: Resend SYN for inbound connections
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 10:31:02 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANsz47mqzvGViTHENVDu8hG3WmvUYCGA=AOk7=VLxm8NtRwHBQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251028124421.5e49bfc8@elisabeth>

On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 7:44 PM Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2025 15:43:25 +0800
> Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 7:04 AM Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2025 14:28:37 +0800
> > > Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If a client connects while guest is not connected or ready yet,
> > > > resend SYN instead of just resetting connection after 10 seconds.
> > > >
> > > > Use the same backoff calculation for the timeout as linux kernel.
> > >
> > > Linux.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Link: https://bugs.passt.top/show_bug.cgi?id=153
> > > > Signed-off-by: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>
> > > > ---
> > > >  tcp.c | 55 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------
> > > >  tcp.h |  5 +++++
> > > >  2 files changed, 52 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/tcp.c b/tcp.c
> > > > index 2ec4b0c..9385132 100644
> > > > --- a/tcp.c
> > > > +++ b/tcp.c
> > > > @@ -179,9 +179,11 @@
> > > >   *
> > > >   * Timeouts are implemented by means of timerfd timers, set based on flags:
> > > >   *
> > > > - * - SYN_TIMEOUT: if no ACK is received from tap/guest during handshake (flag
> > > > - *   ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE without ESTABLISHED event) within this time, reset the
> > > > - *   connection
> > > > + * - SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT: if no ACK is received from tap/guest during handshake
> > > > + *   (flag ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE without ESTABLISHED event) within this time, resend
> > > > + *   SYN. It's the starting timeout for the first SYN retry. If this persists
> > >
> > > "If this persists" makes sense for the existing ACK_TIMEOUT
> > > description but not here, because it looks like it refers to "starting
> > > timeout".
> > >
> > > Coupled with the next patch, it becomes increasingly difficult to
> > > understand what "this" persisting thing is.
> > >
> > > Maybe directly say "Retry for ..., then reset the connection"? It's
> > > shorter and clearer.
> > >
> > > > + *   for more than TCP_MAX_RETRIES or (tcp_syn_retries +
> > > > + *   tcp_syn_linear_timeouts) times in a row, reset the connection
> > > >   *
> > > >   * - ACK_TIMEOUT: if no ACK segment was received from tap/guest, after sending
> > > >   *   data (flag ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE with ESTABLISHED event), re-send data from the
> > > > @@ -340,7 +342,7 @@ enum {
> > > >  #define WINDOW_DEFAULT                       14600           /* RFC 6928 */
> > > >
> > > >  #define ACK_INTERVAL                 10              /* ms */
> > > > -#define SYN_TIMEOUT                  10              /* s */
> > > > +#define SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT             1               /* s */
> > >
> > > Maybe mention RFC 6928 as done above? That's where this value comes
> > > from.
> > >
> > > I just noticed you do that in 4/4, so it's slightly nicer if you do
> > > that right away here for ease of future reference, but not really
> > > needed.
> > >
> > > >  #define ACK_TIMEOUT                  2
> > > >  #define FIN_TIMEOUT                  60
> > > >  #define ACT_TIMEOUT                  7200
> > > > @@ -365,6 +367,9 @@ uint8_t tcp_migrate_rcv_queue             [TCP_MIGRATE_RCV_QUEUE_MAX];
> > > >
> > > >  #define TCP_MIGRATE_RESTORE_CHUNK_MIN        1024 /* Try smaller when above this */
> > > >
> > > > +#define TCP_SYN_RETRIES              "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_retries"
> > > > +#define TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS      "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_linear_timeouts"                                            \
> > >
> > > This uses 121 columns. I'm not sure where all those tabs and \ come
> > > from.
> >
> > My bad. I renamed the macro and it fits in 80 columns but I forgot to
> > remove the '\' and the spaces before that.
> > >
> > > > +
> > > >  /* "Extended" data (not stored in the flow table) for TCP flow migration */
> > > >  static struct tcp_tap_transfer_ext migrate_ext[FLOW_MAX];
> > > >
> > > > @@ -581,8 +586,13 @@ static void tcp_timer_ctl(const struct ctx *c, struct tcp_tap_conn *conn)
> > > >       if (conn->flags & ACK_TO_TAP_DUE) {
> > > >               it.it_value.tv_nsec = (long)ACK_INTERVAL * 1000 * 1000;
> > > >       } else if (conn->flags & ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE) {
> > > > -             if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED))
> > > > -                     it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT;
> > > > +             if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED)) {
> > > > +                     if (conn->retries < c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts)
> > > > +                             it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT;
> > > > +                     else
> > > > +                             it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT <<
> > > > +                                     (conn->retries - c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
> > >
> > > Probably more readable, but I haven't tried: always start from
> > > SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT, then multiply/shift if
> > > conn->retries >= c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts.
> >
> > I guess you meant:
> >
> >     if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED)) {
> >             it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT;
> >             if (conn->retries >= c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts)
> >                     it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT <<
> >                           (conn->retries - c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
>
> Well, yes, this, but without repeating the assignment, so
> <<= (conn->retries - c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts).
>
> > other than something like:
> >
> >              it.it_value.tv_sec <<= 1
>
> Hmm, no, why 1?

I thought you meant: when retries >= syn_linear_timeouts, we don't use
SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT anymore, but to multiply it.it_value.tv_sec itself,
like if it's 2 this time, next time it's 4 (2<<=1).

Now I get your point, and it makes sense to me.

>
> > in above second if block, since the latter would cause
> > it.it_value.tv_sec=2 always when retries>=syn_linear_timeouts, as
> > it.it_value.tv_sec is set to SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT before the if condition.
> >
> > If I'm correct, I'm not sure if it's more readable to change to that.
> > I feel the if/else clause quite matches the way the kernel handles it.
> > What do you think?
>
> Sorry, I took this for granted, but I rather meant:
>
>                         it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT;
>                         if (conn->retries >= c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts) {
>                                 it.it_value.tv_sec <<=
>                                                 (conn->retries -
>                                                  c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
>                         }
>
> because in both cases we're starting from SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT.
>
> And now that I wrote that, I'll pretend I actually meant this:
>
>                 if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED)) {
>                         int factor = conn->retries - c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts;
>
>                         it.it_value.tv_sec = SYN_TIMEOUT_INIT << MAX(factor, 0);
>                 } else {
>                         ...
>                 }
>
> ...where we make the conditional implicit (but I think intuitive) by
> adding 0 as a lower bound. Am I missing something...?

No, it was me misunderstanding your point. I will update accordingly.

>
> > > > +             }
> > > >               else
> > > >                       it.it_value.tv_sec = ACK_TIMEOUT;
> > > >       } else if (CONN_HAS(conn, SOCK_FIN_SENT | TAP_FIN_ACKED)) {
> > > > @@ -2409,8 +2419,17 @@ void tcp_timer_handler(const struct ctx *c, union epoll_ref ref)
> > > >               tcp_timer_ctl(c, conn);
> > > >       } else if (conn->flags & ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE) {
> > > >               if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED)) {
> > > > -                     flow_dbg(conn, "handshake timeout");
> > > > -                     tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > > +                     if (conn->retries >= TCP_MAX_RETRIES ||
> > > > +                         conn->retries >= (c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries +
> > > > +                                           c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts)) {
> > > > +                             flow_dbg(conn, "handshake timeout");
> > > > +                             tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > > +                     } else {
> > > > +                             flow_trace(conn, "SYN timeout, retry");
> > > > +                             tcp_send_flag(c, conn, SYN);
> > > > +                             conn->retries++;
> > >
> > > I think I already raised this point on a previous revision: this needs
> > > to be zeroed as the connection is established, but I don't see that in
> > > the current version.
> > >
> > > > +                             tcp_timer_ctl(c, conn);
> > > > +                     }
> > > >               } else if (CONN_HAS(conn, SOCK_FIN_SENT | TAP_FIN_ACKED)) {
> > > >                       flow_dbg(conn, "FIN timeout");
> > > >                       tcp_rst(c, conn);
> > > > @@ -2766,6 +2785,24 @@ static socklen_t tcp_probe_tcp_info(void)
> > > >       return sl;
> > > >  }
> > > >
> > > > +/**
> > > > + * tcp_syn_params_init() - Get initial SYN parameters for inbound connection
> > >
> > > They're not initial, they'll be used for all the connections if I
> > > understand correctly.
> > >
> > > Maybe "Get SYN retries sysctl values"?
> > > I think the _init() in the
> > > function name is also somewhat misleading.
> >
> > Do you have a better idea for the function name? I named it just like
> > other functions called in tcp_init(), such as tcp_sock_iov_init(),
> > tcp_splice_init().
>
> Given that David was suggesting "Get host kernel RTO parameters" as a
> comment to this function, maybe tcp_get_rto_params()?
>
> The only similar function we have is tcp_get_sndbuf(), so I would make
> it consistent with that. The most peculiar task of this function is
> that it gets parameters ("get"), I think, rather than assigning them to
> variables ("init").

Make sense.
>
> > > > + * @c:               Execution context
> > > > +*/
> > > > +void tcp_syn_params_init(struct ctx *c)
> > > > +{
> > > > +     intmax_t tcp_syn_retries, syn_linear_timeouts;
> > > > +
> > > > +     tcp_syn_retries = read_file_integer(TCP_SYN_RETRIES, 8);
> > >
> > > Why 8? Perhaps a #define would help?
> >
> > The 8 actually comes from your suggestion in v1:
> > "
> >   (optional, and might be in another series, but keeping it together
> >    with the rest might be more convenient): read tcp_syn_retries, limit
> >    to 8, and also read tcp_syn_linear_timeouts
> > "
>
> That was a *limit* of 8, coming from the fact that we have 3 bits to
> store the retry count. This is a default instead.
>
> > I guess it can be replaced with 6 as it's the default value according to
> > Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.rst.
>
> I'd rather check the code because sometimes people forget to update
> that documentation but yes, it matches:
>
>   https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/net/tcp.h?id=a7556779745c047efb7b0ce8732889b0cdc80936#n125
>
> > We already have TCP_SYN_RETRIES for the sysctl file, maybe have
> > another TCP_SYN_RETRIES_DEFAULT for the number?
>
> It sounds reasonable to me.
>
> > > > +     syn_linear_timeouts = read_file_integer(TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS, 1);
> >
> > The default value is 4 as Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.rst. I
> > don't quite remember where the 1 is from. Should we update it as well
> > and add the similar macro as above?
>
> I would, yes. By the way, it's hardcoded here:
>
>   https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/net/ipv4/tcp_ipv4.c?id=e97269257fe437910cddc7c642a636ca3cf9fb1d#n3669
>
> but defined here for thin streams (connections where observed
> throughput is low: https://docs.kernel.org/networking/tcp-thin.html):
>
>   https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/net/tcp.h?id=a7556779745c047efb7b0ce8732889b0cdc80936#n266
>
> I'd suggest to define a constant with value '4' and use it.

Got it.
>
> > > > +     c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries = MIN(tcp_syn_retries, UINT8_MAX);
> > > > +     c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts = MIN(syn_linear_timeouts, UINT8_MAX);
> > > > +
> > > > +     debug("TCP SYN parameters: retries=%"PRIu8", linear_timeouts=%"PRIu8,
> > >
> > > Similar to the comment above: these are not parameters of SYN segments
> > > (which would seem to imply TCP options, such as the MSS).
> > >
> > > We typically don't print C assignments, rather human-readable messages,
> > > so that could be "Read sysctl values tcp_syn_retries: ...,
> > > syn_linear_timeouts: ...".
> >
> > Got it.
> > >
> > >
> > > > +           c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries, c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > >  /**
> > > >   * tcp_init() - Get initial sequence, hash secret, initialise per-socket data
> > > >   * @c:               Execution context
> > > > @@ -2776,6 +2813,8 @@ int tcp_init(struct ctx *c)
> > > >  {
> > > >       ASSERT(!c->no_tcp);
> > > >
> > > > +     tcp_syn_params_init(c);
> > > > +
> > > >       tcp_sock_iov_init(c);
> > > >
> > > >       memset(init_sock_pool4,         0xff,   sizeof(init_sock_pool4));
> > > > diff --git a/tcp.h b/tcp.h
> > > > index 234a803..4369b52 100644
> > > > --- a/tcp.h
> > > > +++ b/tcp.h
> > > > @@ -59,12 +59,17 @@ union tcp_listen_epoll_ref {
> > > >   * @fwd_out:         Port forwarding configuration for outbound packets
> > > >   * @timer_run:               Timestamp of most recent timer run
> > > >   * @pipe_size:               Size of pipes for spliced connections
> > > > + * @tcp_syn_retries: Number of SYN retries during handshake
> > > > + * @syn_linear_timeouts: Number of SYN retries using linear backoff timeout
> > > > + *                     before switching to exponential backoff timeout
> > >
> > > Maybe more compact:
> > >
> > >  * @syn_linear_timeouts:        SYN retries before using exponential timeout
> >
> > So we remove the '"Number of" as well? I guess we should make it
> > consistent for both tcp_syn_retries and syn_linear_timeouts.
>
> Ah, yes, we should.
>
> I mean, I guess it's clear that we're talking about the count / number
> of those and not their colour or taste...

True.
>
> > >
> > > >   */
> > > >  struct tcp_ctx {
> > > >       struct fwd_ports fwd_in;
> > > >       struct fwd_ports fwd_out;
> > > >       struct timespec timer_run;
> > > >       size_t pipe_size;
> > > > +     uint8_t tcp_syn_retries;
> > > > +     uint8_t syn_linear_timeouts;
> > > >  };
> > > >
>
> --
> Stefano
>


-- 
Thanks,

Yumei Huang


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29  2:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-17  6:28 [PATCH v6 0/4] Retry SYNs " Yumei Huang
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] tcp: Rename "retrans" to "retries" Yumei Huang
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] util: Introduce read_file() and read_file_integer() function Yumei Huang
2025-10-19 10:07   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-21  9:32     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-21 21:50       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-22  0:51         ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  8:42           ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  0:55         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-24  3:16     ` David Gibson
2025-10-24  6:05       ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28  7:11       ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:43         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] tcp: Resend SYN for inbound connections Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  1:16   ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  1:30     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  2:26       ` David Gibson
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-24  3:30     ` David Gibson
2025-10-24  8:37       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-24 10:55         ` David Gibson
2025-10-27  3:37           ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-27  6:49             ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28  7:43     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:44       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  2:31         ` Yumei Huang [this message]
2025-10-17  6:28 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] tcp: Update data retransmission timeout Yumei Huang
2025-10-22  1:19   ` David Gibson
2025-10-22  8:40     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-23 23:04   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28  8:09     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-28 11:44       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-28 11:54         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  3:06         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  4:38           ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  5:11             ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  7:09               ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  7:32                 ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29  7:39                   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-29  8:59                     ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-29 12:18                       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-10-30  8:25                         ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-30  8:51                           ` Stefano Brivio

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