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From: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>
To: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top, sbrivio@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 5/5] tcp: Clamp the retry timeout
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2025 12:06:59 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANsz47nCN-LoBfL67CeON3TAt4LOhzL60e5xQmZWc2OcvGkaMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQgHcB4FDDJhcCZJ@zatzit>

On Mon, Nov 3, 2025 at 9:38 AM David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 01:42:42PM +0800, Yumei Huang wrote:
> > Clamp the TCP retry timeout as Linux kernel does. If RTO is less
> > than 3 seconds, re-initialize it to 3 seconds for data retransmissions
> > according to RFC 6298.
> >
> > Suggested-by: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Yumei Huang <yuhuang@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  tcp.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++++-----
> >  tcp.h |  2 ++
> >  2 files changed, 22 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/tcp.c b/tcp.c
> > index 96ee56a..84a6700 100644
> > --- a/tcp.c
> > +++ b/tcp.c
> > @@ -187,6 +187,9 @@
> >   *   for established connections, or (tcp_syn_retries +
> >   *   tcp_syn_linear_timeouts) times during the handshake, reset the connection
> >   *
> > + * - RTO_INIT_ACK: if the RTO is less than this, re-initialize RTO to this for
> > + *   data retransmissions.
> > + *
> >   * - FIN_TIMEOUT: if a FIN segment was sent to tap/guest (flag ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE
> >   *   with TAP_FIN_SENT event), and no ACK is received within this time, reset
> >   *   the connection
> > @@ -340,6 +343,7 @@ enum {
> >
> >  #define ACK_INTERVAL                 10              /* ms */
> >  #define RTO_INIT                     1               /* s, RFC 6298 */
> > +#define RTO_INIT_ACK                 3               /* s, RFC 6298 */
> >  #define FIN_TIMEOUT                  60
> >  #define ACT_TIMEOUT                  7200
> >
> > @@ -365,9 +369,11 @@ uint8_t tcp_migrate_rcv_queue            [TCP_MIGRATE_RCV_QUEUE_MAX];
> >
> >  #define TCP_SYN_RETRIES              "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_retries"
> >  #define TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS      "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_syn_linear_timeouts"
> > +#define TCP_RTO_MAX_MS                       "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_rto_max_ms"
> >
> >  #define TCP_SYN_RETRIES_DEFAULT              6
> >  #define TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS_DEFAULT      4
> > +#define TCP_RTO_MAX_MS_DEFAULT                       120000
> >
> >  /* "Extended" data (not stored in the flow table) for TCP flow migration */
> >  static struct tcp_tap_transfer_ext migrate_ext[FLOW_MAX];
> > @@ -585,10 +591,13 @@ static void tcp_timer_ctl(const struct ctx *c, struct tcp_tap_conn *conn)
> >       if (conn->flags & ACK_TO_TAP_DUE) {
> >               it.it_value.tv_nsec = (long)ACK_INTERVAL * 1000 * 1000;
> >       } else if (conn->flags & ACK_FROM_TAP_DUE) {
> > -             int exp = conn->retries;
> > +             int exp = conn->retries, timeout = RTO_INIT;
> >               if (!(conn->events & ESTABLISHED))
> >                       exp -= c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts;
> > -             it.it_value.tv_sec = RTO_INIT << MAX(exp, 0);
> > +             else
> > +                     timeout = MAX(timeout, RTO_INIT_ACK);
>
> Possibly I missed something, since I only skimmed your discussion of
> this behaviour with Stefano.  But I'm not convinced this is a correct
> interpretation of the RFC.  (5.7) says "If the timer expires awaiting
> the ACK of a SYN segment ...".  That is, I think it's only suggesting
> increasing the RTO to 3 at the data stage *if* we had at least one
> retry during the handshake.  That is, unfortunately, much fiddlier to
> implement, since we need to remember what happened during the
> handshake to apply it here.

Yes, you are right. Stefano thought it would be simpler than
re-introducing separate starting values.

>
> Additionally, if I'm reading the RFC correctly, it's treating this as
> a one-time adjustment of the RTO, which won't necessarily remain the
> case for the entire data phase.  Here this minimum will apply for the
> entire data phase.
>
> Even though it's a "MUST" in the RFC, I kind of think we could just
> skip this for two reasons:

I will leave the discussion to the two of you :)

>
>   1) We already don't bother with RTT measurements, which the RFC
>      assumes the implementation is doing to adjust the RTO.
>
>   2) We expect to be talking to a guest.  The chance of a high RTT is
>      vanishingly small compared to a path to potentially any host on
>      the 2011 internet.
>
> > +             timeout <<= MAX(exp, 0);
> > +             it.it_value.tv_sec = MIN(timeout, c->tcp.tcp_rto_max);
> >       } else if (CONN_HAS(conn, SOCK_FIN_SENT | TAP_FIN_ACKED)) {
> >               it.it_value.tv_sec = FIN_TIMEOUT;
> >       } else {
> > @@ -2785,18 +2794,24 @@ static socklen_t tcp_probe_tcp_info(void)
> >  */
> >  void tcp_get_rto_params(struct ctx *c)
> >  {
> > -     intmax_t tcp_syn_retries, syn_linear_timeouts;
> > +     intmax_t tcp_syn_retries, syn_linear_timeouts, tcp_rto_max_ms;
> >
> >       tcp_syn_retries = read_file_integer(
> >               TCP_SYN_RETRIES, TCP_SYN_RETRIES_DEFAULT);
> >       syn_linear_timeouts = read_file_integer(
> >               TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS, TCP_SYN_LINEAR_TIMEOUTS_DEFAULT);
> > +     tcp_rto_max_ms = read_file_integer(
> > +             TCP_RTO_MAX_MS, TCP_RTO_MAX_MS_DEFAULT);
> >
> >       c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries = MIN(tcp_syn_retries, UINT8_MAX);
> >       c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts = MIN(syn_linear_timeouts, UINT8_MAX);
> > +     c->tcp.tcp_rto_max = MIN(
> > +             DIV_ROUND_CLOSEST(tcp_rto_max_ms, 1000), SIZE_MAX);
> >
> > -     debug("Read sysctl values tcp_syn_retries: %"PRIu8", linear_timeouts: %"PRIu8,
> > -           c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries, c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts);
> > +     debug("Read sysctl values tcp_syn_retries: %"PRIu8
> > +           ", linear_timeouts: %"PRIu8", tcp_rto_max: %zu",
> > +           c->tcp.tcp_syn_retries, c->tcp.syn_linear_timeouts,
> > +           c->tcp.tcp_rto_max);
> >  }
> >
> >  /**
> > diff --git a/tcp.h b/tcp.h
> > index befedde..a238bb7 100644
> > --- a/tcp.h
> > +++ b/tcp.h
> > @@ -59,6 +59,7 @@ union tcp_listen_epoll_ref {
> >   * @fwd_out:         Port forwarding configuration for outbound packets
> >   * @timer_run:               Timestamp of most recent timer run
> >   * @pipe_size:               Size of pipes for spliced connections
> > + * @tcp_rto_max:     Maximal retry timeout (in s)
> >   * @tcp_syn_retries: SYN retries using exponential backoff timeout
> >   * @syn_linear_timeouts: SYN retries before using exponential backoff timeout
> >   */
> > @@ -67,6 +68,7 @@ struct tcp_ctx {
> >       struct fwd_ports fwd_out;
> >       struct timespec timer_run;
> >       size_t pipe_size;
> > +     size_t tcp_rto_max;
> >       uint8_t tcp_syn_retries;
> >       uint8_t syn_linear_timeouts;
> >  };
> > --
> > 2.49.0
> >
>
> --
> David Gibson (he or they)       | I'll have my music baroque, and my code
> david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au  | minimalist, thank you, not the other way
>                                 | around.
> http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson



-- 
Thanks,

Yumei Huang


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-03  4:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-31  5:42 [PATCH v7 0/5] Retry SYNs for inbound connections Yumei Huang
2025-10-31  5:42 ` [PATCH v7 1/5] tcp: Rename "retrans" to "retries" Yumei Huang
2025-10-31  5:42 ` [PATCH v7 2/5] util: Introduce read_file() and read_file_integer() function Yumei Huang
2025-11-03  0:53   ` David Gibson
2025-10-31  5:42 ` [PATCH v7 3/5] tcp: Resend SYN for inbound connections Yumei Huang
2025-11-03  1:09   ` David Gibson
2025-11-03  2:31     ` Yumei Huang
2025-11-03  9:01       ` David Gibson
2025-11-04  4:42         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-04  4:42   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-05  4:24     ` David Gibson
2025-11-05  7:00       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-07  9:56         ` Yumei Huang
2025-11-07 10:05           ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-10  2:52             ` Yumei Huang
2025-11-10  4:25               ` David Gibson
2025-10-31  5:42 ` [PATCH v7 4/5] tcp: Update data retransmission timeout Yumei Huang
2025-10-31  5:56   ` Yumei Huang
2025-10-31  8:04     ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-03  1:18   ` David Gibson
2025-11-03  2:57     ` Yumei Huang
2025-11-03  9:32       ` David Gibson
2025-11-04  4:42         ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-05  4:19           ` David Gibson
2025-10-31  5:42 ` [PATCH v7 5/5] tcp: Clamp the retry timeout Yumei Huang
2025-10-31  8:38   ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-03  3:11     ` Yumei Huang
2025-11-03  9:37       ` David Gibson
2025-11-03 10:55       ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-03  1:37   ` David Gibson
2025-11-03  4:06     ` Yumei Huang [this message]
2025-11-03 10:38     ` Stefano Brivio
2025-11-05  4:22       ` David Gibson
2025-11-04  4:42   ` Stefano Brivio

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