From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top, Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] Introduce facilities for guest migration on top of vhost-user infrastructure
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:38:22 +1100 [thread overview]
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On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 05:55:22AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 11:48:19 +1100
> David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 08:33:50AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 12:16:58 +1100
> > > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 07:50:01AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:40:12 +1100
> > > > > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 12:15:31AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > > > > > Add two sets (source or target) of three functions each for passt in
> > > > > > > vhost-user mode, triggered by activity on the file descriptor passed
> > > > > > > via VHOST_USER_PROTOCOL_F_DEVICE_STATE:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - migrate_source_pre() and migrate_target_pre() are called to prepare
> > > > > > > for migration, before data is transferred
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - migrate_source() sends, and migrate_target() receives migration data
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - migrate_source_post() and migrate_target_post() are responsible for
> > > > > > > any post-migration task
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Callbacks are added to these functions with arrays of function
> > > > > > > pointers in migrate.c. Migration handlers are versioned.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Versioned descriptions of data sections will be added to the
> > > > > > > data_versions array, which points to versioned iovec arrays. Version
> > > > > > > 1 is currently empty and will be filled in in subsequent patches.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The source announces the data version to be used and informs the peer
> > > > > > > about endianness, and the size of void *, time_t, flow entries and
> > > > > > > flow hash table entries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The target checks if the version of the source is still supported. If
> > > > > > > it's not, it aborts the migration.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > Makefile | 12 +--
> > > > > > > migrate.c | 259 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > migrate.h | 90 ++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > passt.c | 2 +-
> > > > > > > vu_common.c | 122 ++++++++++++++++---------
> > > > > > > vu_common.h | 2 +-
> > > > > > > 6 files changed, 438 insertions(+), 49 deletions(-)
> > > > > > > create mode 100644 migrate.c
> > > > > > > create mode 100644 migrate.h
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> > > > > > > index 464eef1..1383875 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/Makefile
> > > > > > > +++ b/Makefile
> > > > > > > @@ -38,8 +38,8 @@ FLAGS += -DDUAL_STACK_SOCKETS=$(DUAL_STACK_SOCKETS)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PASST_SRCS = arch.c arp.c checksum.c conf.c dhcp.c dhcpv6.c flow.c fwd.c \
> > > > > > > icmp.c igmp.c inany.c iov.c ip.c isolation.c lineread.c log.c mld.c \
> > > > > > > - ndp.c netlink.c packet.c passt.c pasta.c pcap.c pif.c tap.c tcp.c \
> > > > > > > - tcp_buf.c tcp_splice.c tcp_vu.c udp.c udp_flow.c udp_vu.c util.c \
> > > > > > > + ndp.c netlink.c migrate.c packet.c passt.c pasta.c pcap.c pif.c tap.c \
> > > > > > > + tcp.c tcp_buf.c tcp_splice.c tcp_vu.c udp.c udp_flow.c udp_vu.c util.c \
> > > > > > > vhost_user.c virtio.c vu_common.c
> > > > > > > QRAP_SRCS = qrap.c
> > > > > > > SRCS = $(PASST_SRCS) $(QRAP_SRCS)
> > > > > > > @@ -48,10 +48,10 @@ MANPAGES = passt.1 pasta.1 qrap.1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PASST_HEADERS = arch.h arp.h checksum.h conf.h dhcp.h dhcpv6.h flow.h fwd.h \
> > > > > > > flow_table.h icmp.h icmp_flow.h inany.h iov.h ip.h isolation.h \
> > > > > > > - lineread.h log.h ndp.h netlink.h packet.h passt.h pasta.h pcap.h pif.h \
> > > > > > > - siphash.h tap.h tcp.h tcp_buf.h tcp_conn.h tcp_internal.h tcp_splice.h \
> > > > > > > - tcp_vu.h udp.h udp_flow.h udp_internal.h udp_vu.h util.h vhost_user.h \
> > > > > > > - virtio.h vu_common.h
> > > > > > > + lineread.h log.h migrate.h ndp.h netlink.h packet.h passt.h pasta.h \
> > > > > > > + pcap.h pif.h siphash.h tap.h tcp.h tcp_buf.h tcp_conn.h tcp_internal.h \
> > > > > > > + tcp_splice.h tcp_vu.h udp.h udp_flow.h udp_internal.h udp_vu.h util.h \
> > > > > > > + vhost_user.h virtio.h vu_common.h
> > > > > > > HEADERS = $(PASST_HEADERS) seccomp.h
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > C := \#include <sys/random.h>\nint main(){int a=getrandom(0, 0, 0);}
> > > > > > > diff --git a/migrate.c b/migrate.c
> > > > > > > new file mode 100644
> > > > > > > index 0000000..bee9653
> > > > > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > > > > +++ b/migrate.c
> > > > > > > @@ -0,0 +1,259 @@
> > > > > > > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +/* PASST - Plug A Simple Socket Transport
> > > > > > > + * for qemu/UNIX domain socket mode
> > > > > > > + *
> > > > > > > + * PASTA - Pack A Subtle Tap Abstraction
> > > > > > > + * for network namespace/tap device mode
> > > > > > > + *
> > > > > > > + * migrate.c - Migration sections, layout, and routines
> > > > > > > + *
> > > > > > > + * Copyright (c) 2025 Red Hat GmbH
> > > > > > > + * Author: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +#include <errno.h>
> > > > > > > +#include <sys/uio.h>
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +#include "util.h"
> > > > > > > +#include "ip.h"
> > > > > > > +#include "passt.h"
> > > > > > > +#include "inany.h"
> > > > > > > +#include "flow.h"
> > > > > > > +#include "flow_table.h"
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +#include "migrate.h"
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +/* Current version of migration data */
> > > > > > > +#define MIGRATE_VERSION 1
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > +/* Magic as we see it and as seen with reverse endianness */
> > > > > > > +#define MIGRATE_MAGIC 0xB1BB1D1B0BB1D1B0
> > > > > > > +#define MIGRATE_MAGIC_SWAPPED 0xB0D1B10B1B1DBBB1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As noted, I'm hoping we can get rid of "either endian" migration. But
> > > > > > if this stays, we should define it using __bswap_constant_32() to
> > > > > > avoid embarrassing mistakes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those always give me issues on musl,
> > > >
> > > > What sort of issues? We're already using them, and have fallback
> > > > versions defined in util.h
> > >
> > > The very issues that brought me to introduce those fallback versions,
> > > so I'm instinctively reluctant to use them.
> > >
> > > Actually, I think it's even clearer to have this spelt out (I always
> > > need to stop for a moment and think: what happens when I cross the
> > > 32-bit boundary?).
> >
> > Oh, yes, we'd need to add a __bswap_constant_64() for this.
>
> ...which doesn't exist on musl. On current Alpine Edge:
>
> util.h:131:34: error: implicit declaration of function '__bswap_constant_64' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
> 131 | #define htonll_constant(x) (__bswap_constant_64(x))
> | ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ...so rather than adding an implementation for this single usage, which
> makes it actually less clear to me, I would keep it like it is.
Very well.
> > [snip]
> > > > > > > +/**
> > > > > > > + * union migrate_header - Migration header from source
> > > > > > > + * @magic: 0xB1BB1D1B0BB1D1B0, host order
> > > > > > > + * @version: Source sends highest known, target aborts if unsupported
> > > > > > > + * @voidp_size: sizeof(void *), network order
> > > > > > > + * @time_t_size: sizeof(time_t), network order
> > > > > > > + * @flow_size: sizeof(union flow), network order
> > > > > > > + * @flow_sidx_size: sizeof(struct flow_sidx_t), network order
> > > > > > > + * @unused: Go figure
> > > > > > > + */
> > > > > > > +union migrate_header {
> > > > > > > + struct {
> > > > > > > + uint64_t magic;
> > > > > > > + uint32_t version;
> > > > > > > + uint32_t voidp_size;
> > > > > > > + uint32_t time_t_size;
> > > > > > > + uint32_t flow_size;
> > > > > > > + uint32_t flow_sidx_size;
> > > > > > > + };
> > > > > > > + uint8_t unused[65536];
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, having looked at this, I no longer think padding the header to 64kiB
> > > > > > is a good idea. The structure means we're basically stuck always
> > > > > > having that chunky header. Instead, I think the header should be
> > > > > > absolutely minimal: basically magic and version only. v1 (and maybe
> > > > > > others) can add a "metadata" or whatever section for additional
> > > > > > information like this they need.
> > > > >
> > > > > The header is processed by the target in a separate, preliminary step,
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's why I added metadata right in the header: if the target needs to
> > > > > abort the migration because, say, the size of a flow entry is too big
> > > > > to handle for a particular version, then we should know that before
> > > > > migrate_target_pre().
> > > >
> > > > Ah, yes, I missed that, we'd need a more complex design to do
> > > > additional transfers and checks before making the target_pre
> > > > callbacks.
> > > >
> > > > > As long as we check the version first, we can always shrink the header
> > > > > later on.
> > > >
> > > > *thinks*.. I guess so, though it's kind of awkward; a future version
> > > > would have to read the "header of the header", check the version, then
> > > > if it's the old one, read the remainder of the 64kiB block.
> > > >
> > > > I still think we should clearly separate the part that we're
> > > > committing to being in every future version (which I think should just
> > > > be magic and version), from the stuff that's just v1.
> > >
> > > Sure, I can add a comment.
> > >
> > > > > But having 64 KiB reserved looks more robust because it's a
> > > > > safe place to add this kind of metadata.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that 64 KiB is typically transferred in a single read/write
> > > > > from/to the vhost-user back-end.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, but it also has to go over the qemu migration channel, which will
> > > > often be a physical link, not a super-fast local/virtual one, and may
> > > > be bandwidth capped as well. I'm not actually certain if 64kiB is
> > > > likely to be a problem there, but it *is* large compared to the state
> > > > blobs of most qemu devices (usually only a few hundred bytes).
> > >
> > > Even if we transfer just what we need of a flow, it's still something
> > > well in excess of 50 bytes each. 100k flows would be 5 megs.
> >
> > Just transferring the in-use flows would be higher priority than being
> > selective about what we send within each flow.
>
> Well, of course, I meant that we would only transfer used flows at that
> point, because it's not about transferring the flow table as a whole,
> with none of the advantages and disadvantages of it.
>
> But still one can have 128k flows at the moment.
Right, but in the present draft you pay that cost whether or not
you're actually using the flows. Unfortunately a busy server with
heaps of active connections is exactly the case that's likely to be
most sensitve to additional downtime, but there's not really any
getting around that. A machine with a lot of state will need either
high downtime or high migration bandwidth.
But, I'm really hoping we can move relatively quickly to a model where
a guest with only a handful of connections _doesn't_ have to pay that
128k flow cost - and can consequently migrate ok even with quite
constrained migration bandwidth. In that scenario the size of the
header could become significant.
> > It's both easier to do
> > and a bigger win in most cases. That would dramatically reduce the
> > size sent here.
>
> Yep, feel free.
It's on my queue for the next few days.
> > > Well, anyway, let's cut this down to 4k, which should be enough, so
> > > that it's not a topic anymore.
> >
> > I still think it's ugly, but whatever.
>
> Same here.
>
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Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-27 23:15 [PATCH 0/7] Draft, incomplete series introducing state migration Stefano Brivio
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 1/7] icmp, udp: Pad time_t timestamp to 64-bit to ease " Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 0:49 ` David Gibson
2025-01-28 6:48 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 2/7] flow, flow_table: Pad flow table entries to 128 bytes, hash entries to 32 bits Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 0:50 ` David Gibson
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 3/7] tcp_conn: Avoid 7-bit hole in struct tcp_splice_conn Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 0:53 ` David Gibson
2025-01-28 6:48 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-29 1:02 ` David Gibson
2025-01-29 7:33 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 0:44 ` David Gibson
2025-01-30 4:55 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 7:27 ` David Gibson
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 4/7] flow_table: Use size in extern declaration for flowtab Stefano Brivio
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 5/7] util: Add read_remainder() and read_all_buf() Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 0:59 ` David Gibson
2025-01-28 6:48 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-29 1:03 ` David Gibson
2025-01-29 7:33 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 0:44 ` David Gibson
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 6/7] Introduce facilities for guest migration on top of vhost-user infrastructure Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 1:40 ` David Gibson
2025-01-28 6:50 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-29 1:16 ` David Gibson
2025-01-29 7:33 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 0:48 ` David Gibson
2025-01-30 4:55 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 7:38 ` David Gibson [this message]
2025-01-30 8:32 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-30 8:54 ` David Gibson
2025-01-27 23:15 ` [PATCH 7/7] Introduce passt-repair Stefano Brivio
2025-01-27 23:31 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-28 1:51 ` David Gibson
2025-01-28 6:51 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-01-29 1:29 ` David Gibson
2025-01-29 7:04 ` Stefano Brivio
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