From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] migrate, flow: Don't attempt to migrate TCP flows without passt-repair
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2025 13:40:12 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z7fnjOKNobJk6FR8@zatzit> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250220113800.05be8f5f@elisabeth>
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On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 11:38:00AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 21:18:06 +1100
> David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 09:07:26AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 17:03:18 +1100
> > > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Migrating TCP flows requires passt-repair in order to use TCP_REPAIR. If
> > > > passt-repair is not started, our failure mode is pretty ugly though: we'll
> > > > attempt the migration, hitting various problems when we can't enter repair
> > > > mode. In some cases we may not roll back these changes properly, meaning
> > > > we break network connections on the source.
> > > >
> > > > Our general approach is not to completely block migration if there are
> > > > problems, but simply to break any flows we can't migrate. So, if we have
> > > > no connection from passt-repair carry on with the migration, but don't
> > > > attempt to migrate any TCP connections.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
> > > > ---
> > > > flow.c | 11 +++++++++--
> > > > 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/flow.c b/flow.c
> > > > index 6cf96c26..749c4984 100644
> > > > --- a/flow.c
> > > > +++ b/flow.c
> > > > @@ -923,6 +923,10 @@ static int flow_migrate_repair_all(struct ctx *c, bool enable)
> > > > union flow *flow;
> > > > int rc;
> > > >
> > > > + /* If we don't have a repair helper, there's nothing we can do */
> > > > + if (c->fd_repair < 0)
> > > > + return 0;
> > > > +
> > >
> > > This doesn't fix the behaviour in a relatively likely failure mode:
> > > passt-repair is there, but we can't communicate to it (LSM policy
> > > issues or similar).
> >
> > Ah... true. Although it shouldn't make it any worse for that case,
> > right, so that could be a separate fix.
>
> Sure.
>
> > > In that case, unconditionally terminating on failure in the rollback
> > > function:
> > >
> > > if (tcp_flow_repair_off(c, &flow->tcp))
> > > die("Failed to roll back TCP_REPAIR mode");
> > >
> > > if (repair_flush(c))
> > > die("Failed to roll back TCP_REPAIR mode");
> > >
> > > isn't a very productive thing to do: we go from an uneventful failure
> > > where flows were not affected at all to a guest left without
> > > connectivity.
> >
> > So, the issue is that leaving sockets in repair mode after we leave
> > the migration path would be very bad.
>
> Why? I really can't see anything catastrophic happening as a result of
> that (hence my v12 version of this). Surely not as bad as the guest
> losing connectivity without any possible recovery.
I was meaning specifically trying to carry on using a repair mode
socket as if it wasn't in repair mode, not closing it out.
> > We can't easily close
> > sockets/flows for which that's the case, because the batching means if
> > there's a failure we don't actually know which sockets are in which
> > mode, hence the die().
>
> They can be closed (via tcp_rst()) anyway. If they're in repair mode,
> no RST will reach the peer, and if they aren't, it will.
Ah, yes, I guess we can just close anything that might be affected.
Brutal, but effective. It will disrupt connectivity, of course, but
not as badly as dying completely.
> > > That starts looking less robust than the alternative (e.g. what I
> > > implemented in v12: silently fail and continue) at least without
> > > https://patchew.org/QEMU/20250217092550.1172055-1-lvivier@redhat.com/
> > > in a general case as well: if we continue, we'll have hanging flows
> > > that will expire on timeout, but if we don't, again, we'll have a
> > > guest without connectivity.
> > >
> > > I understand that leaving flows around for that long might present a
> > > relevant inconsistency, though.
> > >
> > > So I'm wondering about some alternatives: actually, the rollback
> > > function shouldn't be called at all in this case. Or it could just
> > > (indirectly) call tcp_rst() on all the flows that were possibly
> > > affected.
> >
> > Making it be a safe no-op if we never managed to turn repair on for
> > anything would make sense to me. Unfortunately, in this situation we
> > won't see an error until we do a repair_flush() which means we now
> > don't know the state of any sockets we already passed to
> > repair_set().
> >
> > We could, I suppose, close all flows that we passed to repair_set() by
> > the time we see the error. If we have < one batch's worth of
> > connections that will kill connectivity almost as much as die()ing,
> > though. I guess it will come back without needing qemu to restart us,
> > though, so that's something.
>
> Right, yes, that's what I'm suggesting.
Ok. I'll work on something to do that.
> > This sort of thing is, incidentally, why I did way back suggest the
> > possibility of passt-repair reporting failures per-fd, rather than
> > just per-batch.
>
> Sorry, I somehow missed that proposal, and I can't find any trace of
> it.
It may have just been on IRC somewhere.
> But anyway, the problem is that if we fail to read a batch for any
> reason (invalid ancillary data... maybe always implying a kernel issue,
> but I'm not sure), you can't _reliably_ report per-fd failures.
> *Usually*, you can. Worth it?
Ah, I see. We could handle that by being able to report both per-fd
and "whole batch" failure (equivalent to failure on every fd), but
that would complexify the protocol, of course.
> In any case, if it's simple, we can still do it, because passt and
> passt-repair are distributed together. You can't pass back the file
> descriptors via SCM_RIGHTS though, because we want to close() them
> before we reply.
>
> Another alternative could be that passt-repair reverts back the state
> of the file descriptors that were already switched, on failure.
That might help a bit, we'd still need to rework the passt-side
interface to know what needs reverting at the right stage.
I'll take those ideas and see what I can come up with today.
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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-20 6:03 [PATCH 0/2] RFC: More graceful handling of migration without passt-repair (UNTESTED) David Gibson
2025-02-20 6:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] migrate, flow: Trivially succeed if migrating with no flows David Gibson
2025-02-20 6:03 ` [PATCH 2/2] migrate, flow: Don't attempt to migrate TCP flows without passt-repair David Gibson
2025-02-20 8:07 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-02-20 10:18 ` David Gibson
2025-02-20 10:38 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-02-21 2:40 ` David Gibson [this message]
2025-02-21 5:59 ` Stefano Brivio
2025-02-21 6:37 ` David Gibson
2025-02-21 7:03 ` Stefano Brivio
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