From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
Cc: passt-dev@passt.top, Tim Besard <tim.besard@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] tcp: Acknowledge keep-alive segments, ignore them for the rest
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:32:11 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zz7-GwzBfu5Jr2JW@zatzit> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241121102312.156af880@elisabeth>
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On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 10:23:12AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:21:12 +1100
> David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2024 at 05:26:17AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 13:38:09 +1100
> > > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 07:43:44AM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:02:00 +1100
> > > > > David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 08:53:44PM +0100, Stefano Brivio wrote:
> > > > > > > RFC 9293, 3.8.4 says:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Implementers MAY include "keep-alives" in their TCP implementations
> > > > > > > (MAY-5), although this practice is not universally accepted. Some
> > > > > > > TCP implementations, however, have included a keep-alive mechanism.
> > > > > > > To confirm that an idle connection is still active, these
> > > > > > > implementations send a probe segment designed to elicit a response
> > > > > > > from the TCP peer. Such a segment generally contains SEG.SEQ =
> > > > > > > SND.NXT-1 and may or may not contain one garbage octet of data. If
> > > > > > > keep-alives are included, the application MUST be able to turn them
> > > > > > > on or off for each TCP connection (MUST-24), and they MUST default to
> > > > > > > off (MUST-25).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but currently, tcp_data_from_tap() is not aware of this and will
> > > > > > > schedule a fast re-transmit on the second keep-alive (because it's
> > > > > > > also a duplicate ACK), ignoring the fact that the sequence number was
> > > > > > > rewinded to SND.NXT-1.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ACK these keep-alive segments, reset the activity timeout, and ignore
> > > > > > > them for the rest.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At some point, we could think of implementing an approximation of
> > > > > > > keep-alive segments on outbound sockets, for example by setting
> > > > > > > TCP_KEEPIDLE to 1, and a large TCP_KEEPINTVL, so that we send a single
> > > > > > > keep-alive segment at approximately the same time, and never reset the
> > > > > > > connection. That's beyond the scope of this fix, though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reported-by: Tim Besard <tim.besard@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > Link: https://github.com/containers/podman/discussions/24572
> > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Stefano Brivio <sbrivio@redhat.com>
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > tcp.c | 14 ++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > diff --git a/tcp.c b/tcp.c
> > > > > > > index f357920..1eb85bb 100644
> > > > > > > --- a/tcp.c
> > > > > > > +++ b/tcp.c
> > > > > > > @@ -1763,6 +1763,20 @@ static int tcp_data_from_tap(const struct ctx *c, struct tcp_tap_conn *conn,
> > > > > > > continue;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > seq = ntohl(th->seq);
> > > > > > > + if (SEQ_LT(seq, conn->seq_from_tap) && len <= 1) {
> > > > > > > + flow_trace(conn,
> > > > > > > + "keep-alive sequence: %u, previous: %u",
> > > > > > > + seq, conn->seq_from_tap);
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > + tcp_send_flag(c, conn, ACK);
> > > > > > > + tcp_timer_ctl(c, conn);
> > > > > > > +
> > > > > > > + if (p->count == 1)
> > > > > > > + return 1;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure what this test is for. Shouldn't the continue be sufficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think we want to go through tcp_update_seqack_from_tap(),
> > > > > tcp_tap_window_update() and the like on a keep-alive segment.
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I see. But that is an optimisation, right? It shouldn't be
> > > > necessary for correctness.
> > >
> > > *Shouldn't*.
> > >
> > > > > But if we receive something else in this batch, that's going to be a
> > > > > data segment that happened to arrive just after the keep-alive, so, in
> > > > > that case, we have to do the normal processing, by ignoring just this
> > > > > segment and hitting 'continue'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Strictly speaking, the 'continue' is enough and correct, but I think
> > > > > that returning early in the obviously common case is simpler and more
> > > > > robust.
> > > >
> > > > Hrm. Doesn't seem simpler to me, but I can see the point of the
> > > > change so,
> > >
> > > The code itself is two lines longer, of course, with an additional
> > > early return. Considering all the possible side effects of looking at
> > > window values from a keep-alive segment looks to me more complicated
> > > than the alternative, though.
> >
> > Except that we *will* consider them if there happen to be other data
> > packets in the batch.
>
> Eh, yes, we have to:
>
> > > > > But if we receive something else in this batch, that's going to be a
> > > > > data segment that happened to arrive just after the keep-alive, so, in
> > > > > that case, we have to do the normal processing, by ignoring just this
> > > > > segment and hitting 'continue'.
>
> but we'll use _those_ window values (because we 'continue' here).
>
> > That seems like it will just make any problems
> > from processing the keepalive sequence values harder to track down,
> > not make them go away.
>
> We tested the common case (perhaps we'll never get anything else) and
> my priority would be to make _that_ robust, because it's what matters
> to users. If we find the time to write a small keep-alive sending
> program, then I would feel more confident to drop that additional
> condition.
Eh, fair enough.
Reviewed-by: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
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prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-11-21 9:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-19 19:53 [PATCH 0/2] tcp: Handle keep-alives, avoid unnecessary timer scheduling Stefano Brivio
2024-11-19 19:53 ` [PATCH 1/2] tcp: Reset ACK_TO_TAP_DUE flag whenever an ACK isn't needed anymore Stefano Brivio
2024-11-20 0:58 ` David Gibson
2024-11-19 19:53 ` [PATCH 2/2] tcp: Acknowledge keep-alive segments, ignore them for the rest Stefano Brivio
2024-11-20 1:02 ` David Gibson
2024-11-20 6:43 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-11-21 2:38 ` David Gibson
2024-11-21 4:26 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-11-21 4:30 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-11-21 6:21 ` David Gibson
2024-11-21 9:23 ` Stefano Brivio
2024-11-21 9:32 ` David Gibson [this message]
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