On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 08:04:23PM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2025 11:11:24 +1000 > David Gibson wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 09:52:41AM +0200, Stefano Brivio wrote: > > > > > > > If we can start introducing some exeter tests, the next step would be > > > > to work on the support library stuff for constructing more complex > > > > network environments from namespaces. I have draft series with this > > > > as well, but I was looking at splitting it into another mini-project > > > > (tentative name "sinte" - Simulated Inter Network Test Environment). > > > > > > Neat! That sounds like the juicy part and surely one part we really > > > miss at this point. I would go as far as proposing PESTO (playground > > > environment simplifies test orchestration / spurs test opportunities) > > > but "sinte" sounds good to me as well. > > > > I kind of love the "pesto" acronym, but the proposed expansions don't > > quite work for me though: they don't say anything specifically about > > networking, and it's really not about test orchestration - this is > > about how to write a single test. > > I couldn't come up with much better (and didn't get to actually review > the patches) yet, but I just wanted to quickly mention that by > "orchestration" I was referring to juggling namespaces and virtual > machines (at some point...?) with virtual links around, within a single > test. That makes sense, but I don't think that meaning is obvious within the name alone. > And maybe at some point networking could be marginal in the whole thing. Hm. Maybe. At this point handling network environments and specifically *inter* network environments is really my focus though. > > The infuriating thing is I'm pretty sure I came up with a much better > > tentative name months ago, and then forgot it. > > I know you meant it for something else, but I'm wondering if you're > referring to NUDEL perhaps. No, I think I had a tentative name specifically for this network simulation thingy. *brainstorms* One idea I had was "instead" - Inter Network Simulated Test Environment . "with Arbitary Devices" maybe? That might be the one I'm thinking of, but I think I had one I liked better. Had a chat with Gemini and came up with a handful more options: "mimic" - Multi-host Inter-network Mock Infrastructure Construct "isthmus" - Inter-network Simulation & Test Harness for Multiple Underlying Systems "ross" - "Routing & Orchestration Simulation System" Or, maybe.. "tunbridge" - Tunbridge (like Exeter) is a town in Tasmania, and a bridge of tun devices would likely be a common construct to build with it (though not as common as a bridge of veths, admittedly). -- David Gibson (he or they) | I'll have my music baroque, and my code david AT gibson.dropbear.id.au | minimalist, thank you, not the other way | around. http://www.ozlabs.org/~dgibson